The Healthcare Debate

[Modell Hayta]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU</a>

....or....we need to point the gun at our head and pull the trigger to see what happens. 

Pelosi is priceless! 

[Willy Loman]

we will all be going to canada for heath care when all our smart people, who used to become doctors refuse to go to 7 years worth of school for a government job.

[Modell Hayta]

we will all be going to canada for heath care when all our smart people, who used to become doctors refuse to go to 7 years worth of school for a government job.

Ditto

[Snakeeyes]

On behalf of children everywhere, thanks for getting out of teaching.  Good luck with those knives.  

When I was teaching;   I used to emphasize to the children to check their answer before moving on.

Particulary since calculators and computers were involved by this time;   I felt it important that they take a look and make sure their answer is REASONABLE.

ASK YOURSELF IF IT's REASONABLE.      THAT'S WHAT CRITICAL THINKING IS ALL ABOUT PROFESSOR.


SO Lets try again.   Riddle me this:


Is it reasonable to believe  that the governor of Alaska and VP Candidate would need to take her family to Canada for Healthcare in the 2000's?

If not;  why did you poat that in this threade?    

The only answer that makes sense is you are the one that's not employing critical thinking;  you are the only one that is hypocritical;  and yes;  you are the only one that we should be thankful for if you leave teaching.

you are pathetic

Nice melt.

I just think it's funny that the guy who claims to be so much smarter than everybody else is factually incorrect most of the time he rants about anything.  And then later when somebody points it out you claim it was 'hyperbole' or some dumb shit.  Anyways, I'm starting to wonder if you're just a brilliant troll job, nobody can actually be that stupid.  It's too bad you don't sell encyclopedias instead of knives.   

[testudo]

On behalf of children everywhere, thanks for getting out of teaching.  Good luck with those knives.  

When I was teaching;   I used to emphasize to the children to check their answer before moving on.

Particulary since calculators and computers were involved by this time;   I felt it important that they take a look and make sure their answer is REASONABLE.

ASK YOURSELF IF IT's REASONABLE.      THAT'S WHAT CRITICAL THINKING IS ALL ABOUT PROFESSOR.


SO Lets try again.   Riddle me this:


Is it reasonable to believe  that the governor of Alaska and VP Candidate would need to take her family to Canada for Healthcare in the 2000's?

If not;  why did you poat that in this threade?    

The only answer that makes sense is you are the one that's not employing critical thinking;  you are the only one that is hypocritical;  and yes;  you are the only one that we should be thankful for if you leave teaching.

you are pathetic

Nice melt.

I just think it's funny that the guy who claims to be so much smarter than everybody else is factually incorrect most of the time he rants about anything.  And then later when somebody points it out you claim it was 'hyperbole' or some dumb shit.  Anyways, I'm starting to wonder if you're just a brilliant troll job, nobody can actually be that stupid.  It's too bad you don't sell encyclopedias instead of knives.   

I think it's funny that after you've been found to have your facts wrong;    you claim I'm the one with my facts wrong.

I dont' claim to be smarter than everyone else.   

I do claim to be smarter than you.    And I have zero doubt about that.   I don't think you do either.     

So I answered your question.   Now you answer some of mine:

Again;  is it reasonable to beleive that Sarah Palin takes her family to Canada for healthcare?      Was it really very responsible of you to beleive the spin and use something her family did when she was a kid back in the 60's  when Alaska was basically a territory devoid of infrastructure?   

"Sarah Palin Took Her Family To Canada For Healthcare."     

How responsible was it of you to put up such a silly strawman without looking into the details?   Did you think that no one here would?   

And what was the overarching  point were you trying to make?

Why are you trying to turn something stupid you said;  into me being the stupid one?

[Snakeeyes]

When did Alaska become a state?   

[Snakeeyes]

Oh, and how many more times likely am I to die from a swimming pool than a gun in Alaska?   

[testudo]

Double Poat Melt     



Alaska became a state in 1959  as said in my poat above.

[testudo]

I won't dignify the second poat with a reply since you are just being childish right now and I'm sure you have planning to do for you're epic AP course lecture

[Gas Can]

What a sham!...If Pelosi and her cronies pull this shit off we will have the biggest party shift in history at the next election.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100316/ts_csm/288060

'Deem and pass': Democrats' new tactic for healthcare reform bill

Washington – The battle for healthcare reform is shifting from open-field policy fights to the obscure trenches of procedural warfare, as House Democrats look to pass the Senate bill without a direct vote.

It’s a procedure called a self-executing rule, and if it is used, the Senate healthcare reform bill will be "deemed" to have passed the House whenever the House passes a package of fixes to the Senate bill.

Deeming is typically used as a convenience for issues that aren't controversial. But this week, “deem and pass” could also give members cover for the toughest and most historic vote of their careers.

Asked to comment on Republican claims that Democrats are using procedural “gymnastics” to avoid accountability, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said at a briefing on Monday: “It's about accountability of the insurance companies. It's about affordability for the middle class. It's about accessibility for many more people.”

“It's not about gymnastics alone – except if that's part of the wellness program that we have for our children,” she added.

Republicans assail planRepublicans took to the floor of the House and Senate today to attack this strategy as a bid to hide a vote that most Democrats would rather not take. With 178 seats in the House – and four of 13 seats on the powerful Rules Committee – Republicans don’t have the votes to defeat this strategy, but they aim to make it as costly to Democrats as possible, especially those in tough races in 2010.

“Make no mistake, this will be a career-defining and a Congress-defining vote,” said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell on Tuesday. “Anyone who endorses this strategy will be forever remembered for trying to claim they didn’t vote for something they did. It will go down as one of the most extraordinary legislative sleights of hand in history.”

The procedure of one vote to both adopt a resolution and concur on a Senate amendment to a bill has been around since 1933. In March 1996, Republicans used a similar procedure to pass a controversial measure to raise the national debt limit – an issue they had used against Democratsin their bid to take back the House in 1995.

In the House floor debate, Republicans called it a measure necessary “to expedite the consideration of this terribly, terribly important piece of legislation.”

“In fact, self-executing rules have been used over the years far more often by Republicans than by Democrats,” says Vincent Morris, a spokesman for Rep. Louise Slaughter (D) of New York, who chairs the House Rules committee.

Usually used for 'routine matters'But all sides agree that it’s never been used on a measure this significant.

“It’s a procedure typically used on very routine matters,” says Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, N.J.

That Democrats are using it on healthcare “is evidence of the fact that they’re using every parliamentary device that they can to overcome the 60-vote threshold in the Senate and the defection of Democrats in the House opposed to [the Senate bill],â€

On the House side, GOP leader John Boehner of Ohio announced today that Republicans plan to force a vote on a resolution requiring an up-or-down vote on the Senate health care bill. Even if the resolution fails, it will put Democrats on record in a way that can be used in 2010 election campaigns. “It shows you just how controversial this government takeover of healthcare has become that it takes a controversial maneuver just to vote on it,” he said in a statement.

Meanwhile, Rep. David Dreier (R) of California, the top Republican on the House Rules Committee, is calling for the Rules Committee debate onthis issue to be televised.

With the Democratic majority poised to turn the rules of the House on their head just to get their government takeover of healthcare through, we need cameras there to record it,

Senate healthcare reform bill will be "deemed" to have passed the House whenever the House passes a package of fixes to the Senate bill.

...and I understand one of the fixes is gov't takeover of teh insurance companies.  So the dems get their public option without a vote. :socialism

[Steve in GR]

Repubs want a vote because they know it would never pass. There are more insured than uninsured in this country. Most are happy with the insurance they have now. Thing is that's leaving out the smaller percentage of uninsured who want it to pass.

[Gas Can]

Repubs want a vote because they know it would never pass. There are more insured than uninsured in this country. Most are happy with the insurance they have now. Thing is that's leaving out the smaller percentage of uninsured who want it to pass.

last time I checked we lived in a democracy.

[Dog]

Repubs want a vote because they know it would never pass. There are more insured than uninsured in this country. Most are happy with the insurance they have now. Thing is that's leaving out the smaller percentage of uninsured who want it to pass.

last time I checked we lived in a democracy.

Actually, we never have lived in a democracy.  We live in a democratic republic.
There's actually a significant difference.

[Stephen Coldbeer]

Rep. Dennis Kucinich from Cleveland sold his vote in exchange for a ride on Urr Force One.  What a tool.

[testudo]

Rep. Dennis Kucinich from Cleveland sold his vote in exchange for a ride on Urr Force One.  What a tool.

He just had to refund a few mil of campaign contributions to teh whackjob lefties that supported him for his stance on only voting for a bill that contains a public option.

What a Dufus.